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Pessimism: Being Pessimistic/Negative about a Thing or Occurrence places that Thing/Occurrence outside of the Ego. It is used as a protection against criticism and negative development.
Optimism: Being Optimistic about a Thing/Occurrence involves incorporating the things One likes about Oneself into a thing or Occurrence. When it gets criticized or develops in a negative fashion it reflects directly on the Ego.
Optimism is opening oneself up, allowing sharing of the Thing/Occurrence and thus the facets/traits One likes most about Oneself and opening up to possible annihilation and criticism of those facets. On the contrary, Pessimism allows deliberate Alienation. One never has to share Oneself by being Pessimistic.
Pessimism allows the possibility that the Thing/Occurrence will turn out to be/develop [in a ] Positive [fashion]. If it does, One will immediately let it reflect on the Ego, but is not able to share the fact that One has taken credit for it, as that is not socially appropriate.
If it doesn't, One has protected the Ego beforehand and is not forced to let it reflect on the Ego and One is thus never forced to take credit for it.
Conclusion:
Optimism is for the powerful of Mind and strong at Heart. Pessimism is for the weakened of Mind and fearful at Heart.
Discuss my theory!
Optimism: Being Optimistic about a Thing/Occurrence involves incorporating the things One likes about Oneself into a thing or Occurrence. When it gets criticized or develops in a negative fashion it reflects directly on the Ego.
Optimism is opening oneself up, allowing sharing of the Thing/Occurrence and thus the facets/traits One likes most about Oneself and opening up to possible annihilation and criticism of those facets. On the contrary, Pessimism allows deliberate Alienation. One never has to share Oneself by being Pessimistic.
Pessimism allows the possibility that the Thing/Occurrence will turn out to be/develop [in a ] Positive [fashion]. If it does, One will immediately let it reflect on the Ego, but is not able to share the fact that One has taken credit for it, as that is not socially appropriate.
If it doesn't, One has protected the Ego beforehand and is not forced to let it reflect on the Ego and One is thus never forced to take credit for it.
Conclusion:
Optimism is for the powerful of Mind and strong at Heart. Pessimism is for the weakened of Mind and fearful at Heart.
Discuss my theory!
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Re: Pessimism - Protection of the Ego (discuss)
Thu, November 8, 2007 - 11:08 PMNothing to discuss. You have proven your point well. Where do I sign up ? -
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Re: Pessimism - Protection of the Ego (discuss)
Sat, November 10, 2007 - 2:01 PMUnlike pessimism, optimism requires an imagination and enough soul to know happiness as a wisdom far superior to any pursuit of being right.
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Re: Pessimism - Protection of the Ego (discuss)
Sat, November 10, 2007 - 11:35 AMRidiculous.
How about this:
Optimism is delusion and denial: the willful rejection of any information that threatens your ego or your personal construct or your sense of well-being or happiness or your sense that the world is doing just fine. Optimism, in the end, can be very dangerous, and lead to situations like the one we're living in now, where so many people in America are in denial about, well, I don't think I need to go into it. Well, look at your heating bill, first of all. Are you still satisfied?
Pessimism, contrarily, is the acceptance that the world and society are not placid and unwaveringly good. Pessimism accepts that human nature is as cruel as it is good, and that one must be conscious of the bad, and prepared for it, in order to function well and healthily and to guard against it, fight it off and correct it. In the end, pessimism is what moves society forward, by realizing what is bad, calling popular attention to it, and so bringing those social ills to be fixed.
Optimism (which not coincidentally was pushed rather forcefully by the Republicans during the 2004 election) accepts that nothing needs to be changed, everything is just fine, and we're not actually going to Hell in a handbasket even if we are. Optimism, ultimately, hinders progress by blinding us to the injustices and faults in and of society.
Simply "incorporating the thing one likes about oneself into a thing or occurrence", or some other sort of delusion fostered by Eastern philosophy, does not help you, or your neighbors, if certain parts of society are not kindly disposed toward you. Criminals will be criminal simply because they can. -
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Re: Pessimism - Protection of the Ego (discuss)
Sat, November 10, 2007 - 1:46 PMSpoken (figuratively) like a true pessimist, Human. ;-)
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Re: Pessimism - Protection of the Ego (discuss)
Sun, November 11, 2007 - 7:13 AMp + o- they seem to be two halves of the coin that is reality. neither one can fully encompass reality; they are mere descriptions of our emotional perspective. neither alone will give us a full sense of what we are actually experiencing. and rather than claiming them as our disposition and acting under their influences, they are more useful when they remain descriptions of our attitudes. but like produces like, and we began to indentify with our behavior.
i have recently discovered my own cynicism to be a hinderance, due to its imbalance in my perspective, rather than its mere presence. and have found that the biggest and possibly sole benefit to practicing optimism is the energy it preserves/ produces. being negative is draining, always watching out of the corner of your eye. preparing for every possible wrong outcome and generally forcing ones face into a frown, its exhausting. as well as repellant to other people who mark your moods as a measure of your (im)maturity, lack of success in life, and general drain on their spirits. being too happy go lucky allows you to enjoy all the beautiful rainbows and fluffy clouds, and quite possibly get devoured. but the question is, will you feel pain.
how about an expanded perspective that is less emotionally based, less reactionary to circumstances and experience. appreciating the scenery, after you have determined it is safe. is optimism/ pessimism a strategy for you (the plural you) in the game of life as much as a defense mechanism? b/c really, you can get fired with no warning, no tangible reason and you have the choice. do i see this as the path to freedom and insist that something great is around the corner? or do i spend all week drunk and slothful, recovering from hurt and rage. one seems clearly more productive than the other, and while harder initially, paving a smoother path in the long run. it all depends on your goal.
pardon my lack of eloquence right now. im not up to par with yalls fine grammar this early am.
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Consider
Sun, November 11, 2007 - 11:12 PMGerge W. Bush is known for his OPTIMISM in the face of all fact, even today after having killed more
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Re: Consider
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 12:22 AMGerge W. Bush is known for his OPTIMISM..hahaha! That's not optimism; that's stupidity. Real optimism requires imagination and soul, two factors curiously missing in GWB -
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Re: Consider
Tue, November 13, 2007 - 12:17 PMHmm... . It sounds as if Sherpa is describing some sort of specialized sexual technique necessitating great mental focus as well as a daunting degree of physical exertion, not to mention an exceptionally well-learned measure of balance. This thing called Optimism is not for just anybody; certainly one can master it only if one allows his or her self to become cleansed of all knowledge and prejudice throughout both mind and body, over the course of many years of concentrated study and practice. Only then can we truly sexualize the way we were meant to.
I like Persephone's take better.
I would add, though, that I find it healthier to recognize and accept the negatives in one's life, not simply ignore them. How nice if we could all make up our own realities, and it would all come true! Unfortunately that's not an option; I've tried it, and it doesn't work. No, everything negative must be acknowledged, accepted, addressed; sometimes we can even use these things to our benefit.
Incidentally, i've noticed that the phrase "I'm an optimist" is one you commonly hear from some drunk or dull-witted person at somebody else's party, hoping for a nodding head or two. Usually they get it. The phrase "I'm an optimist", I've observed, seems to be quite popular.
This notwithstanding, the phrases "optimist" and "pessimist" are really rather empty terms, the latter really being more of a self-congratulatory, discrediting fabrication by self-declared "optimists" than an actual philosophical perspective.
But I like to humor people who are looking for a good argument. If people want me to be a pessimist, I'm always willing to play the pessimist. Bring on the bad news! The bad news is almost as enjoyable as the good. -
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Chapel Perilous
Tue, November 13, 2007 - 1:17 PMre: "The bad news is almost as enjoyable as the good."
Oh oh oh...the guilty pleasures of enjoying the suffering of others. Bad news is what historically $ells and keeps the ma$$ media machine in big busine$$ while pampering the cultural trance of accentuating the negative. Ghost world. Hungry ghosts in the machine walking the primrose path in the garden that leads straight into Chapel Perilous.
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