ok... if your so smart...?

topic posted Fri, June 29, 2007 - 10:11 PM by  offlineSizzle
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what do you make of this "Lucifer project"?
www.mytv.it/player-cs-em.swf
more info with links....
www.rinf.com/news/nov05/...project.html

rd condensed version:

Lucifer Project :
October 18,1989 Space Shuttle Atlantis launches with the Galileo Space probe.
The probe is powered by 17.2lbs of plutonium238.
December 7, 1995 Galileo reaches Jupiter.
September 21,2003 galileo is destroyed during a controlled impact with Jupiter.
October 19, 2003 A mysterious black spot appears on Jupiter.
The spot i 7,900 miles in diameter... roughly the size of the Earth.
Due to extreme pressure of Jupiters Hydrogen Atmosphere the nuclear payload triggered a chain reaction.

The largest weapon ever made was the Tsar Bomba 50 megaton nuclear bomb.The fireball was 2.8mi diameter.
The galileo space probe produced a blast 2821x bigger than Tsar Bomba.

Oct 15,1997 The Cassini space probe launches.powered by 72.3lbs of Plutonium238, the most ever launched into space.
On 7/7/08 Cassini will impact Saturn causing an even larger blast.

With an atmosphere composed almost entirely of hydrogen there are theories that saturn will become a second sun.
On oct. 11 2006 NASA sent images of a large 'hurricane" at saturns south pole.
Unlike Galileo, Cassini will travel further into the planets by going through the opening at the pole.
The effects on the Earth from a Saturn star formation are unknown.
The theory is that a constant radition shower will hit the earth lasting many weeks, killing millions.
The effects will become visible around 28 days after the impact.

the press release says this...
2008 (early July to late July) – Cassini plunges into a polar region of Saturn in order to increase acceleration of gravity before impact (Saturn is very oblate). This will give the pellets a head start and a much greater penetration depth than if the equator were used. Also the polar region is less likely to have a storm brewing. A few days later, or maybe weeks later, the plutonium pellets reach crush depth and implode 15-25% of the way to the center of Saturn and igniting it entirely into a star. NASA does not have to officially deny responsibility because the question is never asked of them “Did Cassini cause this?” just as they were never questioned about the mystery Jupiter spot at the point where Galileo went in. The trick has been all along how to get the pellets in deep enough for a significant disturbance to occur. Saturn allows this with much less density than Jupiter and less of a radius to start with especially going into Saturn at its pole where the radius is 10% less than Saturn at the equator. Jupiter may have been a hopeful first try and more of a test or precursor to Saturn. Even A.C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick originally envisioned Saturn as the best candidate. Another thing to note is that a Saturn ignition is much safer for Earth than a Jupiter ignition as far as ejecta disturbing our atmosphere. The amount of ionized hydrogen that reaches us from Saturn will be a fraction of that from a Jupiter ignition, but still risky . I estimate the mass of ionized hydrogen intercepted by the Earth to average .015 kg/m2/day for every square meter of the Earth for about two weeks and traveling at high speeds. During the last couple days heavier elements will reach the Earth in smaller quantities. 2008 (late July) – The new star is named, possibly Lucifer, or a derivative of that. The “sign from the heavens” is used to ordain a great world leader, or a leader who had just taken power prior to the event.

2008 (Jul/Aug/Sept) – After a few weeks of 24/7 talk of the implications, causes, effects, etc. of the new star, Earth begins to get showered with the ejecta from Saturn. The shower lasts 2 to 3 weeks and includes some heavier elements towards the end. This directly or indirectly kills millions of people and animals on Earth - a great boost for population control. Those “in the know” hide out in underground cities and bunkers for several weeks to several months until Earth's ozone shell has recovered. 2009 – The new world reality sets in. After coping with the effects of the event, the survivors find that having a second sun is novel. Earth is completely changed, all infrastructures, political structures, and religions are thrust into chaos. The strongest surviving military force soon takes control of the Earth. 2010 – A call goes up to investigate and explore the new system of Saturn/Titan. 365/24/7 time and unlimited resources go into the new international venture. Terraforming plans start on a grand scale.

2033 - Humans set foot on an earthlike Titan.

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---so what do ya know....all the buzz about 2012 may be real after all...? ...
posted by:
Sizzle
Washington, D.C.
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  • Re: ok... if your so smart...?

    Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:02 PM
    I think it's cute that they say the effects become visible "28 days" after impact... heh... I wonder if they wrote it that way intentionally as a nod to the movie.
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      Sat, June 30, 2007 - 9:37 PM
      I guess I missed it ...what is the precise date given on which we are supposed to see the effects of the second satellite crash?

      I doubt this is going to happen, I would be curious to see what the actual effects are however I am sure there will be something most people wouldn't care about or find interesting..
  • Re: ok... if your so smart...?

    Mon, July 2, 2007 - 12:18 AM
    I think, Sizzle may very well be a plant from the survivalist tribe ,looking to drum up membership...that or looking to sell a few surplus geiger counters.

    Who can truely say what evil lurks in the minds of men,this Lucifer project may very well be real.But do we really need quite such an elaborate scenerio by which to imagine the end of the old order in the near future?How about something as simple as a series of local and regional wars, some possibly involving limited nuclear exchanges over the dwindling and finite natural resource of the planet.Add to that the effects of global warming,throw in some religious fanatic terrorists,a pandemic and economic collapse of the world banking system.
    It could happen either way,in 2007 or 2008,2010,2011 or even 2012,who can say if the end of the world will not come tomorow?

    "And I say to you that everything that is born to live,must one day die"...if I can use a quote from an old Zep tune, to sum it up.What will you do if the Lucifer project is real, bunker down?I think it is prudent that one be prepared for surviving for natural disasters, I am sceptical though that one can prepare for and survive through the end of the world event that many are imagining that is soon at hand.What would you do to survive it?Kill your neighbors and friends to keep them out of your bunker because they didn't prepare before hand?

    To do so, you would have to give up a degree of your humanity.Survivial of the Strongest,Rule of the Jungle... in a sence you would become no better then the men who pushed the button and started it all.Should the paranoid, strong and ruthless rightfully take possession of and inheiret such an earth?Would you really want to be among their ranks,relating fond memories of such lost wonders as flowers,hummingbirds and butterflies, that could once be found in the world outside, to pasty and pale hobby cannibal bunker babies?
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    Mon, July 2, 2007 - 7:11 PM
    i don't know that i would consider the Mayan calendars T'zolkin, Haab, or Long Count to be a part of a conspiracy therory that existed after their time....i think this is a fascinatng subject - -- 2012 and Quetzecoatal aside.....there seems to be an inherent logic to it that i cant yet explain.......but i'm working on it.....
  • Re: ok... if your so smart...?

    Tue, July 10, 2007 - 11:08 AM
    Well, Saturn is a lot further away from the Sun, which is an ongoing hydrogen bomb at 93m miles.

    Furthermore,
    none or our planets enough mass to fuse hydrogen in the way the Sun does.

    By comparison a fission of 100 kg of plutonium, while damaging on earth, is
    lost in the noise compared to stellar processes.
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      Sat, July 14, 2007 - 11:49 AM
      Yeah actually if I were to mastermind such a project I would target Jupiter.... Larger chance of actually setting things in motion... But then again I believe this system likely was going to be a duel star system only Jupiter didn't quite make the grade in terms of mass. But if ya look at it's magnetic fields it is a pretty impressive object.

      JSin
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        Wed, August 29, 2007 - 6:00 PM
        It reminds me of the quote, possibly mine since I use it enough times (and can't remember if there was an original source): "the two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity". I'm rather sceptical of the claim and had a browse for the original source. One source, which seems pretty plausible, suggests that while hydrogen is pretty common, having the right isotope of hydrogen in adequate amount is not: www.badastronomy.com/bad/mis...eo.html. I am curious about the spot, though so I went looking for more info. The joy of not doing the work one should be doing.

        I did come acome across a few images where a black spot is mentioned on the surface of Jupiter (they were referring to the shadow of Io, one of Jupiter's moons -- I don't know if that's what the spot was, but it seems a more likely candidate).But Jupiter has a history of spots (and not just the raging giant red pimple that represents a very big storm and one theory puts most of it down to unexpected dynamics in Jupiter's "upper atmosphere, or stratosphere, including the birth and motion of a dark vortex wider than Earth": ciclops.org/view.php or from another report of a recently discovered black spot in Jupiter's clouds is darker than any feature ever before observed on the giant planet. The spot may be the result of a downward spiraling wind that blows away high clouds and reveals deeper, very dark cloud layers."

        Anyway, I'll await with interest from my underground bunker, as Cassini crash lands into Saturn around mid-year 2008 and creates a second star. But if things go the way of the Mar Climate Orbiter (a joint effort between European and American scientists) then simple stupidity (or oversight) might save us.

        Mars fails to add up
        Los Angeles --- A mix-up over metric and imperial measurements probably causes the loss of the $[Probably US, but possibly Australian]192 million Mars Climate Orbiter last week.

        The error caused the probe to fly too close to Mars and break or burn up in the atmosphere.

        NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Lockheed Martin in Colorado, where the spacecraft was built, used different units of measurement [the Americans, I assume were using imperial measurements and the others were using metric] to calculate thrust.

        Quality control failed to notice the discrepancy, a NASA spokesman said yesterday.

        Associated Press (October 6, 1999)
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    Sat, January 26, 2008 - 7:30 PM
    BTW this has already been made into the movie "2010" effects by Gary Demos
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      Re: ok... if your so smart...?

      Mon, March 17, 2008 - 4:27 AM
      Putting aside the physics and focusing on the politics: Why would the people who ALREADY run the world want to plunge it into chaos? If you told me Chinese sweatshop laborers were building this thing, okay, I might buy it, but the 'people in the know' what possible benefit would they get? Fewer people to exploit?
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        Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:42 AM
        As a species, our egocentricity exaggerates our perception of self-importance. What of the innate planetary influences that may actually run the world beyond the plutocracy of world banks and the financially elite humanoids ? I suggest that the Earth itself is calling the shots. The human species may be hard-wired via DNA to carry out the Earth's deeper planetary agendas including the inevitable cycles of species extinction, human and otherwise. We humans have a nasty little habit for taking credit for the creations that come through us but do not ultimately originate in, or belong to, us.
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          Wed, March 19, 2008 - 1:49 PM
          ok so i was having a weak mined moment... we are all allowed one a year ....right?
          i know ...i'm over my quota....
          nevermind...
          and now for something completely different...
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          Re: ok... if your so smart...?

          Wed, March 19, 2008 - 2:06 PM
          >I suggest that the Earth itself is calling the shots.<

          Interesting, but I think that the Earth is just a front for an unholy planetary alliance backed by Uranus.
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            Wed, March 19, 2008 - 3:59 PM
            re; " think that the Earth is just a front for an unholy planetary alliance backed by Uranus."

            so true, so true...and what of the rotating constellation of fixed stars, the procession of the equinox...

            perhaps stars as we call them are no less than archangels and the planets, angelic entities...oh, not our garden variety hallmark angels but more like Rilke's angels...

            "Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angels' hierarchies? and even if one of them pressed me suddenly against his heart: I would be consumed in that overwhelming existence. For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror, which we still are just able to endure, and we are so awed because it serenely disdains to annihilate us. Every angel is terrifying."

            excerpted from The Duino Elegies by Rainer Maria Rilke

            fractalvideo.com/HTML/TGCFV.html
  • Re: ok... if your so smart...?

    Thu, March 12, 2009 - 7:10 PM
    Sizzle, all I know is that we are to remain as off-balanced and fearing as possible.

    And that theories in science abound in their different possibilities.

    And that the u.s. media system (and likely many others in the "developed" world), consistently give the masses only the worst case scenarios.

    The bottom line is, what kind of reality do we wish to virtually pray for, a hellish one or a heavenish one?

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